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So far these are a pretty decent pair of vegan skate shoes. I’m not a lace breaker and most of my kickflip/tre flip wear stays on the rubber, but I’ve been skating them for a few weeks and they feel good and are holding up. Sometimes I find the sole of etnies shoes to be too slippery or to wear down really fast and these don’t seem to have that problem as bad as other etnies I’ve skated. I’ll probably buy these again.